Ok...may be not an ideal way to start blogging. But this has been on mind for far too long and I just want to spill my guts here. Don't get me wrong. ISKCON has done yomen service by spreading Krishna-Bhakthi across the world. My association with ISKCON goes back at least 10 years or so. My friend took me to ISKCON where I was told to buy Japa-beads, Gopi-chandan and a copy of Baghavad Gita. As an innocent teenager, I didnt know much and never questioned their methods. I brought these aforementioned stuff home, did the japa for a day or two and promptly forgot about it. Year rolled as I came to Detroit Michigan after finishing my MS. I envied the Devotees at the Detroit ISKCON center. I watched the happy Krishna-Bhakthas in awe and wondered what is the true meaning of happiness. As usual, I promprtly forgot about it and continued with my life.
As I moved to Sacramento 3-4 years back, I got in touch with the local ISKCON group. I liked the home setting of ISKCON here in Sacramento. I was instantly absorbed into the core group of Devotees. I became a regular face at ISKCON and never failed to show up for Baghavad Gita class or Sunday programs. Since I am a Brahmana, my spiritual knowledge and ability to grasp spiritual concepts at a faster rate impressed many. But all this time, something did not feel right. I always felt something is missing. Just as thousands of other devotees who wanted to learn Hinduism in the USA (I call them "late-bloomers" - it took us a while to understand the greatness and values of Sanathan Dharma) end up at ISKCON, I too was content with their theories with a million open holes but was too busy to care for any of that.
Ok, let me get straight to the problem here. After my long, long association with ISKCON, I am able to pin-point my grindings with ISKCON.
1. Their utter disregard to any other scriptures or books outside of ISKCON. Their Guru Prabhupada had strictly warned the ISKCONnites against even gazing at books written by non-ISKCONnites.
2. Their absolute lack of knowledge in Shruthi and Smrithi.
3. Their misleading way of showing ISKCON as the "Vedic" way. In fact, if there is anything, ISKCON is very anti-Vedic. First of all, Puraanas are a way of understanding Vedas for the common man. It is funny how ISKCONnits call themselves a "Vedic" group while they cannot even acknowledge the 4 Maha-Vakhyas of the Vedhas. "Tat-tvam-asi", "Adhyaathma Brahman", "Pragyanam Brahman" and "Aham Brahmasmi". Even a lay man could understand the maha-vakhyas. It perplexes me how the Hare Krishnas fail to reason them!
4. I have read their books, listened to their lectures (even from their highest Guru - Prabhupada). Let me tell you something, there is nothing special about them. After a point, their knowledge becomes stale. They keep grinding the old flour again and again.
5. Their knack of brain-washing spiritual aspirants. They put nonsense philosophies such as "demi-Gods", "Lord Shiva is a demi-God", "Shankara is a rascal" into aspirer's head. I have personally seen their brain-washing session live! It frankly disgusts me.
6. They go against Lord Krishna's concept of "4-varnas" and create a 5th varna called "Vaishnava". Now, this might be unique to our group in Sacramento, as I cannot generalize it. I want to scream loud at them saying "Vaishnava is a man-made term; no 'Vedhic' scriptures talk of it". It is funny that they call themselves superior to Brahmanas. First of all, no one is superior to any one. Lord Krishna says "panditah sama darshinah" (a learned scholar sees everyone/everytyhing as the same - read Advaitham here).
7. They take Lord Krishna's verses from Baghavad Gita and Srimad Baghavatham, twist the meanings and present their own erroneous views and call them "as-it-is". Every time I read their books it makes me want to laugh. How could they be so naive and ignorant? How can devotees fall into their trap?
8. This is my biggest grudge yet! I see many SmArthas getting initiated in ISKCON and it just grinds my gears. SmArthism is the only concept of Hinduism that creates envy in the western world. It is the essense of Vedhas, Shastras and Sanathan Dharma. It pains to see these Vedhic Brahamans giving up their position and joining these cults.
9. It pains to see these promoted "Brahmanas" within ISKCON killing Vedha-Adhyaanam by reciting mantras with a horrible pronunciation. Please leave Vedha-Adhyaanaam and rituals to qualified Brahmanas.
10. Their inability to understand that varna is purely based on birth by ones Karmas and guna. Lord Krishna says that many times in BG.
Some of my friends say that ISKCONnites are just wanna-be Brahamanas. They hide their in-security well by bashing other schools of thoughts. That is why even real Vaishnavaas (Madhava-Vaishnava, Sri-Vaishnava) would never accept a ISKCONnite to be a Vaishnava.
I am going to end this blog by saying that ISKCON is a neo-religious cult and it is a failed attempt to create "Hinduism for dummies". Dear brothers and sister, stay away from ISKCON. Go to their programs but stay away from their philosophies. Parents, make sure that your children do not stray into ISKCON territories.
You add a drop of poison in a big pot of milk. The entire pot become a waste. The same applied to ISKCON with their hate propagands agaisnt Adi Shankara's Advaitha philosophy.
Thursday, July 17, 2008
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Oh my God! I'm so shocked to read these words from you! But I'm so glad as well. :)
ISKCON is good for devotion, nothing else. I do go to their temple but dont look at their books!!
Hello! I am glad to find some one who agrees with me about ISKCON. Please take a look at my blogs. May I have permission to put this information in my blogs. Is there any way we can network and consoladate our efforts together with each other and with others to spread the truth about the anti-scriptural/sastra tendencies of ISKCON. Is there any way we can link our blogs and other people blogs together so we can network disiminate this truth out. Is there any way I can email you. I am thinking about putting videos on youtube about mine and other peoples experiences with ISKCON and how their sadanta or philosophy is not in accordance with scripture. Please, please respond back. Namaste.
Please take a look at this blog. You will notice the things that are being discuss on this blog. The addresss is;
http://www.agnihotrayajna.blogspot.com/
The book that is being mentioned states the Narayana upanishad is from the atharva Veda. And, that the Krishna upanishad comes from the Rig-Veda. It is absolutely incredible the level of mis-information. Please take a look.
Namaste.
May I please use the information from this blog in mine.
Thanks,
Chris Johnson
you are absolutely right my friend !!! iskcon is an utter idiotic and hilarious organisation.it might be suitable for novice westeners wanting to taste hinduism but not for any one who has a little knowledge about hinduism and has a minimum intellect.they call all the deities demigod,advaitism mayavad etc etc.but judging from their repeated failures and analyzing history i believe that they wont exist for long. it is much like the 19th century brahmo movement which gathered momentum very fast but disintrigrated quickly without trace within 50 years.their orthodoxy,lack of intellect and deep rooted materialism would cause their downfall.
Chris,
Please feel free to use this information in your blogs.
It would be nice to do service to Sanathan Dharma by educating people on cults out there. Please feel free to contact me.
Hari Om Tat Sat!
Namaste! Just to let you know, these stories were from a friend, who is new to hinduism. I do not go to ISKCON leactures or any thing. Please I would really like to spread this information. Please some how contact me. Chris.
Chris, leave me your email here and I shall send you a test email. We can take it from there!
Om Tat Sat
Good patient, detailed analysis. One good thing about ISKCONites is their good nature, at least they behave very courteously, but it is so very disturbing - the way they trash all other aspects of Hinduism. One of the worst things that I still cannot digest is their supposition that Sri Adi Sankara's Only Purpose of existence was to check Buddhism and revive Hinduism. Apart from that, apparently, all His teachings are not to be considered. I was Rotfl when I heard about it. Still, for desis like us in the US, a little bit of exposure to something remotely spiritual, and some wannabe good people is nice, but beyond a point, it becomes really intolerable. But as you said, another sad aspect is the number of Smarthas who get initiated into ISKCON. People should know to tread the middle path, association with any such organisation will lead to shocking unidimensionality.
What's so crazy about them ?
You guys speak of gita, hope u read it...In gita, Krishna says He is supreme, and the source of all devas and rishis....so they're demigods...Devatas...Even Lord Brahma has to die eventually. It's not that mind boggling.
Lord Siva's position tough is unique, as mentioned in Sri Brahma Samhita.
The thing about advaita is, well, do u think you are God then ? or eventually can be God ? please kindly clarify.
Upanishads are philosophical extractions of the vedas, and maybe smarthas are the ones who misinterpret these maha vakyas...
I don't think its bashing on devatas or sastras, i guess maybe your being a tad bit sentimental on the whole issue.
And some of you are quite hypocritical, you go to their temples but don't read their books, you rather tread the middle path?
I guess, if you really want tattva, absolute truth, you have to indulge deeper.
Oh yeah, and talking about brahmins, coming from a lineage of brahmins, in Kali yuga my frens, everyone is born a sudra... No one practices proper brahminical qualities... I've seen white man, sanyasis in iskcon, who are more brahmin then us indians !....
And yes, varna is by guna-karma not birth right... If your a born brahmin but do not follow our principles, we won't consider you a brahmin any longer because ur activities (karma) and qualities (guna) are not that of brahmins...
Kinda logical actually, its exact Vedic teachings, at least from what we have been taught growing up.
I've seen Sri Vaishnavas attend ISKCON functions, they do consider them vaishnavas....
Do reply, this is interesting.
hare krsna hemalan..
i hav read wat this person has written about iskcon ....can u explain/clarify it further to me as well as to him...so that he may know wat this movement is all about...smtimes misinterpretn leads to disastrous meanings..i think he wants 2 take the charge of proving Iskconites wrong at any cost...
According to your posts,i see that you have only associated with iSKCON partially.And Your speaking more about iskcon and less about Krsna.
Krsna pointed himself as IN bhagavad gita as supreme personality of godhead.
you ARE talking like a religious fanatic who specualtes himself by his mind.The only way you can reach Krsna is by pure devotion.If you are a pure devotee you will FIND errors in nothing.even with the knowledge of vedas and upanishads you cannot reach him.
It does not matter what ISKCON teaches about the cosmology,so called demi-gods,lORD Siva and other hindu philosophies.If you are pure devotee you will consider none.
Coming to The tatvam-asi.(your god)
Does it mean the some way as we think or does it have any deep rooted meaning.
Lord Visnu resides in everyone's heart.
I hope you will have good traffic.You should place some ads so that you can get money...
THANK YOU KAUNDINYA for letting me know about this.
whomsoever have written this blog first of all must understand that his perception is only based on his
observation.
1)lord siva is a demigod...demigod...demigod.OK.
its not an indication of disrespect but the truth.ISKCON says lord siva is the greatest vaisnava.and this thing quite often comes out just b'coz many people worship demigods b'coz they dont realize that evev krsna is the father of all demigods.lord siva is not ordinary demigod.krsna himself takes care of this material nature in the form of lord siva.the difference between them is just like between milk and curd.but there can be only one adi purusha(no one above him) and that is krsna.krsna is father of lord siva and everyone as he showed it in his universal form to arjuna.no one else can do that.
have you ever read the prayers offered by lord bramha and lord siva to lord visnu or krsna.no you havent otherwise you wouldn't have done this here.
krsna says in the bhagvat gita that only less intelligent person worship demigods b'coz they dont realize that the only beneficiary of their sacrifices is krsna.
even lord siva dont forgive people who blaspheme krsna or his devotees.
PIECE OF ADVICE : read prabhupada books submissively without considering him an ordinary person.
"Krsna pointed himself as IN bhagavad gita as supreme personality of godhead."
Yes, Krishna said that he is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, but He never said that Shiva, or Durga, or Ganesha AREN'T just different forms of Krishna.
Lord Brahmā said: My dear Lord Śiva, I know that you are the controller of the entire material manifestation, the combination father and mother of the cosmic manifestation, and the Supreme Brahman beyond the cosmic manifestation as well. I know you in that way.
SB 4.6.43: My dear lord [Shiva], you create this cosmic manifestation, maintain it, and annihilate it by expansion of your personality, exactly as a spider creates, maintains and winds up its web.
Srimad Bhagavatam clearly states that Lord Shiva is Supreme, meaning that Lord Shiva is just another form of Lord Krishna, or that Lord Krishna is just another form of Lord Shiva.
Lord Shiva is not a Demi God,and is a great insult to any Shaivit(Me) Shaivites have their scripture that says Lord Shiva is supreme and Vaishnavas also have theirs, however going into a scripture war will not prove "who is supreme"
Secondly, a demi god is a half human half god. A more reasonable term for deva would be angels. Since Indra and agni are NOT half human!
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